Chat in English (英語で雑談） Part 177

1 ：2013/04/28 〜 最終レス ：2013/06/05

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Previous Thread:
Chat in English (英語で雑談） Part 176
http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1364318115/
Hey!!! All you NEETs, nerds, YouTube link spammers, pedophiles, neo-Nazis,
Yukorin enthusiasts, Nanako SOS admirers, Part-Time-Preachers,
Diplomats' spoiled sons, losers who can't remember Kanji characters,
Big-boobs fans, Weeaboo from around the world, learners of Japanese
who are too lazy to update their Japanese blogs very often, cunning
linguists, stupid fan girls of Johnny's Boys, Touhou pirates, and
that electrical super-gay who suffers from mental disease - This is your thread!
Let's hope Igirisu-jin and the Internet-addicted housewife will come back soon!
This is the place to have a blast!!!!!
Let's continue to support recovery efforts in Japan!!!!!

2 ：

Kamenashi Kazuya Congragulations on your success in Italy!
You are inspirational and I adore you!
Love love love
your no 1 UK fan

3 ：

Bikke-san, Watanabe-san, Hiroshi-san
when will you have an official TOKYO NO ! SOULSET tshirt out onegaishimas.

4 ：

Oooh, it still has that 'new thread' smell.

5 ：

Freshly brewed coffee
Freshly baked bread
Freshly washed hair
Fresh Austrian mountain air etc

6 ：

>>4
It's great, isn't it? Hope the non-sense in the previous thread won't continue
this time around.

7 ：

Oops, wrong tripcode...

8 ：

I dislike the way japanese people use English

9 ：

Ilove it to the point of fetish.

10 ：

>>8
How so?

11 ：

Here is a follow-up for the bombing in Boston. Fascinating...
> It was a blow the immigrant boxer could not withstand: after
> capturing his second consecutive title as the Golden Gloves
> heavyweight champion of New England in 2010, Tamerlan Anzorovich
> Tsarnaev, 23, was barred from the national Tournament of Champions
> because he was not a United States citizen.
Before Bombs, a Battered American Dream
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/us/shot-at-boxing-title-denied-tamerlan-tsarnaev-reeled.html

12 ：

hey, hello
part 177, huh
that's wild

13 ：

>>11
It's a shame he's dead, it would've been interesting to find out
what his self-stated motivations were instead of just us guessing
at them. Perhaps his younger brother will shed light on the
situation.

14 ：

As a new thread started, I have to remind you guys of something.
This thread, and 2ch for that matter, is a cesspool and all posters are
sort of losers (including me). You (including me) are all poos.
The difference is that whether you're human's poo or dogs' poo or horses' poo.
Humans poo might be higher on hiarachey (spelling?) but it's still poo
and dogs's human's and horses are equally smelly. So stop arguing about nonsense.

15 ：

hierarchy

16 ：

>>14
That's true lol

17 ：

>>14 Speak for yourself low life form. Some are ordinary netizens who drop
by after a long day at work, to learn about modern Japanese culture and
traditions communicating through English. For me this is a gossip
and information site .We are not like you.

18 ：

The Boston event was a decoy to distract attention from the Waco
anniversary attack. It is so obvious what they are diverting attention.

19 ：

>>18
I think humans are very good at seeing patterns that may not be there.
The "Waco anniversary attack" seems nothing more than a factory not
following the OSHA standards; it was an accident waiting to happen,
until I see more proof that it was more than that, that's how I'll
treat it.

20 ：

what do you mean patterns? Since when critical thinking is called
that? You accept things as they are presented to you?

21 ：

From Wiki
Sheeple (a portmanteau of "sheep" and "people") is a term in which
people are likened to sheep, a herd animal. The term is used to
describe those who voluntarily acquiesce to a suggestion without
critical Rysis or research. They undermine their own individuality
and may willingly give up their rights.

22 ：

http://xkcd.com/1013/

23 ：

>>19
>>21
More seriously, there's no proof of what you're saying. Show me
some proof of what you are saying. "It's so obvious, wake up sheeple!"
does not a proof make.

24 ：

I did not say "It's so obvious, wake up sheeple!". You said it.
I just put a definition.
Homework for you. If you are curious, look up the facts on th e
internet and question them while you do that. I hope next time
yo do the same to every bit of news you hear.

25 ：

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof

26 ：

I love my wife. :D

27 ：

So it is Gangsta101 who is the starter of these threads.
Narukodo. Does it mean he is the same as the gender segragator
thread guy? I sincerely hope not.

28 ：

What the fuck is "narukodo"? lol

29 ：

narukodo

30 ：

179 名前:KameGirl :2013/03/31(日) 09:01:28.44
かっこいい日本人男,,, 心臓発作を起こしました。
でも
わたしわ大和撫子じゃない。

ewwwwwwwwwwwww GROSS

31 ：

Hello, you must be the pumpkinhead of this thread.

32 ：

Narukodo

33 ：

Narukodo

34 ：

Narukodo

35 ：

Narukodo

36 ：

Looks like someone is stuck in a mental loop.

37 ：

>>30
Am I reading this right?
"Good looking Japanese man, (I) had a heart attack.
But, I am not one who displays the femininity of Old Japan."
So now you guys get to nit pick my Japanese (translating skills)
and get back at me for correcting you!
Because what I think it says makes no sense to me.

38 ：

They ASKED me to display my broken Japanese skills, knowing I do not speak the language.
Then they crucified me.
I am certain they must have had traumatic language learning experiences
to act so VILE. What an ego trip they are having now.

39 ：

>>38
I say we just pick a language nobody here knows,
and all speak in it. We can make fun of each other
equally. :P
Êl síla erin lû e-govaned vîn. Pedil edhellen?
No veren.
...maybe not.

40 ：

Translator thought that was Norsk!

41 ：

>>40
I just googled some of Tolkien's Elvish phrases. :D

42 ：

I don't do Tolkien,,,

43 ：

Narukodo

44 ：

>>17
As if you were not. You are a hippo's poo.

45 ：

>>31
Same here!
Actually, when I read your Japanese, I was so touched.
The expression was awkward but it included something poetic in it.

46 ：

I am glad you sensed the feeling.

47 ：

A hippo's poo is a hippo's poo, no matter what.

48 ：

I learned that hippos are such a kindhearted animal when I was watching TV yesterday.
In Africa, there is a phenomenon that animals move to another place, crossing rivers to seek for their food.
Pippos helped push other animals to the river bank when they were drowning.

49 ：

>>48
They can also be very dangerous.

50 ：

>>48
oh... I was going to watch it but missed it. It was on NHK, right?
The trailor of the show said that hippo is the strongest animal of all.
Is that true? Stronger than an elephant?

51 ：

>>48
Hippos look pretty vicious to me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYCtln6fizY
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Hippo_skull_dark.jpg

52 ：

>>13
I'm sure we will hear more about the story once the younger brother
recovers from the injuries.

53 ：

>>52
Hopefully. He was in a bad state in the pre trial (held by his bed)
he only nodded and said one word ("no").

54 ：

I am here to learn Japanese things from you, not declarations of "low confidence" a
nd "how that applies to eveyone". That is utter rubbish.
Seriously, psyhcotherapy might help you.
I think you should consider it.

55 ：

>>53
That's no good... I didn't know the younger brother was in such
a bad shape physically. I really liked the NYT coverage of
the bombing ( >>13 ) because it shows how fragile immigrant families
and communities actually are in the United States.
Makes me also wonder if the Japanese government should accept
more immigrants.

56 ：

>>55
The way I see you guys have either got to start having more children,
or letting more people immigrate. :P

57 ：

>>56
I know, I know. I would like to have at least three children.
Otherwise, I would feel guilty for not doing my part.
I just don't think Japanese society is ready to embrace permanent immigrants.
It would be much more realistic for Japan to accept temporary
migrant workers from foreign countries just like Singapore, but who knows...

58 ：

>>57
Then of course there's worldwide overpopulation.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I don't know enough about economics to say about migrant workers --
isn't that essentially extracting value out of Japan that's not paid
back (in taxes, and in year round commerce) versus a citizen
(whether born or 'imported')?
I took Japanese as an elective over economics in high school, so I'm
not the guy to ask! :P

59 ：

>>54
Hippo's poo better describe your looks and your smell.

60 ：

depopulated sred

61 ：

>>1
Fuck You Faggots

62 ：

>>59 Time for your medication nutcase. Now sod off.

63 ：

話すことができない
日本人
しかしながら
私の心
聞く
言語
本当の愛の
@-@-@-@-@-@
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

64 ：

Where r u?て書き方好き

65 ：

>>63
ano...sumimasen desukedo...
I can't understand what you are tryin to say.
could you please translate it into english

66 ：

>>65
I'm Japanese but I don't understand what she is trying to say...

67 ：

You know, that is a poem, so don't think! Just feel.

68 ：

Yes, please try to feel, when I can only express myself in
blocks of words, not knowing at all the rules of the language,
but when I hear the words , I present it to you, because they resonates
within me.
Of course it sounds ridiculous to you native speakers, it isn't
sophisticated because of the harshness, but feelings are living things
so they will evolve as I learn more about Japan.
I am a believer in imperfection, just like the tea master that
Oribe Furuta met in the mountains in Hyouge no Mono.

69 ：

I would like feel your feelings too. In Japanese.
Please could you consider?

70 ：

I wonder why there are so many mistakes in my posts.
perhaps writing in a hurry is a bad idea.

71 ：

furuta 's furuchin is heavier than mine.

72 ：

>>67
Stephen Fry wrote something about this on his book on poetry,
The Ode Less Travelled:
"Suppose you had never played the piano in your life.
`Don't worry, just lift the lid and _express yourself_.
Pour out your feelings.`
We have all heard children do just that and we have all wanted
to treat them with great violence as a result. Yet this is the
only instruction we are ever likely to get in the art of writing
poetry: Anything goes."

73 ：

I noticed that "violence" . People are scary, really scary.
I am too scared.

74 ：

Don't exaggerate! It's only a few who exerts such kind of violence.

75 ：

What do you mean? It depends where you live, what social class,
what education level they have. There is too much of it around me.
The worst offenders are the ones who have rigid thinking,
They are against trying anything new, different.

76 ：

You are going too far.
Because children never know what is new,or different when they play the piano.
They just play at ramdom, so thoughtful people never treat them with such violence.
And this apply to the case when you learn a foreign language.

77 ：

>>75
If you go out with a Japanese guy, will you be excluded from society?

78 ：

I started going to English school since last month.
To feel again, coming up with words or sentences in English is so difficult to us Japanese.

79 ：

>>78
Totally understand! But fucking gaijins take it for granted that English is the global language so we have to speak.
They do not have any ideas how hard learning foreign languages is!
If we non native english speakers pronounce word weirdly or making small grammatical errors, they immediately say something like "learn the grammar" or whatever!
Hate them!

80 ：

>>58
I'm no expert in economics either, so no worries :)
I would imagine that migrant workers create enough value for the company
they work for. Letting more temporary immigrants work in Japan is
a compromised solution for the rapidly diminishing labor force in Japan anyway.

81 ：

>>79
When going to Spain, I met some foreigners who was studying Spanish.
But,I was astonished that almost all of them speak English.
This is the trigger to go to English school.
So, I think there is no doubt English is the universal language

82 ：

>>81
Of course they can lol because English is soooo similar to most European languages!
They are so similar in terms of everything like grammar, vocabulary, pronunciation, letters...and cultural background is also similar!
It is said that it takes 3 times more for English speakers to learn japanese compared to European languages.
This means its so hard for Japanese to learn English!
But fucking ignorant English speakers don't know this fact and like to say " Japanese can't speak English~~" "they need to learn at Lear basic English~~~" which is very annoying!
Speaking of Spain, I remember some students from Spain did speak very good English when i was in English school in London! Now I'm feeling like going to Spain :D

83 ：

Oops *at least

84 ：

>>76 I don't understand what you mean when you say I am going too far.
As a child playing the piano was a luxury for me.
Although I would listen to the radio and hear classical music,
I wouldn't know how the piano would feel if I could play.
So seeing a piano and making sounds was brand new experience for me.
I used to make my own instruments at home from strings, wires,
aluminium boxes and make my relatives kids play it (I was the chef)
Grandma would have gotten so angry at the ruckus we raised,
I think she was right to be, poor grandma ( I feel sorry)

85 ：

>>77 People around me think I am strange saying, "Oh she goes
on and on about Japan", Though they are expats themselves,
they think I am taking this Japan fetish a bit too far.
I am a "double alien" for them.
I don't know how they would react, if I had a Japanese boyfriend.

86 ：

>>79 I know the feeling. Most nit pickers are usually non-English
Brits, although there are snobby English types who think their language
is God's gift to humanity and jealously defend the "correct way"
of speaking the language.

87 ：

>>82 Don't internalise it, just keep on using the language, without
thinking of these mean and harmful comments from others.
If you beleive in those offensive words your learning would be
stalled. Just let them go through you.

88 ：

>>79
Yet there are Japanese in the thread doing the same thing to KameGirl.
>If we non native english speakers pronounce word weirdly
There's a difference between 'has an accent' and
'almost entirely unintelligible'. Without hearing you speak I couldn't
say which you fall into.
>or making small grammatical errors,
Grammatical errors grate on the ears and immediately flag you as a
non-native speaker. Again, it depends on the particular grammatical
error as to how much or little.
Speaking personally, I'm trying to learn Japanese. I realise that
I'm never going to sound entirely native, but I never want to get
to a point where I'm not trying to head in that direction, and as
one gets better at a language, the improvements become more nitpicky.
Take it as a complement!

89 ：

>>79
Look at it this way. If I say to you
私はバーナードです。私はプログラマです。私はニュージーランド人です。
And you tell me that I don't need to keep saying 私は, I don't want
to respond with "it's just a small error, you can still understand
me, can't you!?".

90 ：

This is it. Native english speakers are
conditioned that way, about the rules of their language.
Brits are heavily conditioned, to the point that they make fun of
regional dialects, and nit pick on each other's vocabulary and
pronunciation ad nauseam.

91 ：

>>88 Actually the people who attack my non existant Japanese are doing
so because they cannot do that to Igirusu-jin. They think I am a
a weak little girl who would succumb to pressure. they are trying to
make up for the lost confidence by hurting other non-natives to
get their bottled frustration out.

92 ：

existent ...
igirisu...

93 ：

>>92
I didn't even notice. Your own worst critic is yourself! :P

94 ：

I feel responsible for people who come here to practise English.

95 ：

As far as I'm concerned, I was glad when I heard that KameGirl is studying Japanese and wanted her to show us the outcome of her effort.
We would be isolated from the international community,if there were no Gaijins who tried to understand Japan or things Japanese.

96 ：

>>89
You definitely have a good point. The only difference, however, is that we wouldn't
quickly point out such a mistake in real-life situations because that is not
a normative behavior. (The opposite is true in this thread, but that is expected.)
My American friends make tons of mistakes when they speak Japanese,
but I usually don't say anything.
My impression is that, while our expectations for the foreigner's ability to
communicate in Japanese are quite low, native speakers of English seem to
assume a direct correlation between one's command of English and
her or his level of intelligence, and that kind of judgment is quite
frustrating for those who were born and raised in Japan. Just my two cents.

97 ：

>>95
She doesn't study Japanese.
All she doesn is watching subbed Japanese dramas, eating Japansese foods
that she buys at Korean stores.

98 ：

It is true that I was studying Japanese bu now I don't have the time to do so.
However I am seriously thinking of living in Japan for a while, if I find
a job there. I have some friends and connections, and a man
I have never met, who is interested in me. I get sent a lot of wagashi from Japan,
I don't buy it at the Korean store. Only nattou and somen. I buy
miso from the Japan Centre.

99 ：

I don't like pointing out mistakes, I think it is up to the learner to
discover them. That way there is no humiliation. Unless new learners
come to me and ask directly. I would never point them out. However I don't
mind being corrected myself, if it is done in a dignified manner.
If the natives rate your intelligence on how you speak, they are simply
ignorant or plain snobbish. You should remind them that their Japanese
is worse than your English.

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